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Almost everyone seems to believe they can say whatever they want because of the first amendment but they don’t think those who disagree with them have the same rights
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It's a beautiful day outside today.
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It so is DR, watched my grandson play baseball, and finished a project on my boat.
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The First Amendment was never enacted to protect ALL speech. Government employees public/private school employees and employees of yes even fast food businesses can be FIRED if their speech is perceived to bring discredit to their employer or the employer’s reputation. Terminated employees always have the right to bring a lawsuit for wrongful termination.
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Just because some speech has adverse consequences that doesn’t mean you don’t have a right to speak… does it?
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Try yelling fire in a crowded public area and see how well the first amendment protects you.
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You’ll be ignored.
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Don't get it twisted. This isn't about the 1st Amendment or lack thereof. This is about the longstanding right wing strategy to flip every real issue facing Americans into an attack against the opposition, so they can enact their own Reichstag fire.
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You give the general public way too much credit.
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"Free Speech for me, not for thee."
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People get fired for misrepresenting the companies they work for. Simple. It’s bad press.
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These dsys itt is not so much simply what can be said but how it is said. The level of hateful or aggressive , loud rhetoric is poisoning social media, media, public speech , discourse , political speech etc. It is so loud, so aggressive, intimidating that it leaves little room for intelligent discourse or even civil conversation or interaction. This can lead to political violence as well
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It is a moral clause. Just as bad a saying the students and people from church deserve the same fate. It is common sense to be a human being. Not an idiot.
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Jimbo...
Unless you are independently wealthy, living off Daddies Trust fund, or won the Lotto, most people work for a living or collect SSI.
So picture having a job, or better yet, imagine you actually own a business that you created from the ground up and you actually care about the character and behavior of your employees.
Am I getting through yet..?
Unless we live in a socialist country where everything is monopolize cause govt owns and runs everything into the ground, people need to perform and character matters.
So yeah, when leftists get online and say horrific vile shit about Charlie being assassinated it is in bad character.
Please notice that despite having the most influential conservative influencer literally murdered, nobody is burning shit down, looting stores, or assaulting cops.
We are listening to vile shit from the left.
Same shit, different day.
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I’m pretty sure Charlie Kirk said plenty of “horrific vile shit” himself.
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^When common sense and reason finally filters through a loony leftist brain it becomes “horrific and vile shit”. Prove me wrong.
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Why would I bother to even discuss what you just said?
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"I’m pretty sure Charlie Kirk said plenty of “horrific vile shit” himself."
I'm pretty sure he didn't. He just spoke truth to a bunch of boonies and they got flustered and pissed off.
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*loonies*
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Pretty sure it’s bad form to say “karma” when a guy was murdered in front of his family and a bunch of innocent students but I guess some people are so stupid they need to learn this the hard way.
Even more stupid to put it out there on the internet forever and give someone the material to have their employers say “this shit ain’t worth the bad press.”
Spin it all you want but that’s the essence of it.
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Also, employment is at will. At least it is in California. You can pretty much terminated for anything and as a business owner if one of my employees is becoming so much brain damage for me that it costs me business…guess who is gonna lose? Not me. The employee.
Don’t like it? Start your own business.
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Wait, so now the Left doesn't like cancel culture? The side that was all for doxxing, canceling, and getting people fired for mean tweets? Did you really think the pendulum would never swing back the other way?
Sometimes you just gotta reap what you sow.
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^ 👍
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don’t you guys fucking see it… it doesn’t matter if you’re waving a blue flag or a red one you’re still serving the same damn machine… the same machine that’s working overtime to keep us divided to keep us hating each other while it robs us blind and distracts us from what’s really going on… I wouldn’t even put it past the powers that be to line up Charlie Kirk’s death on purpose just to throw a shiny object at you so you stop paying attention to Gaza or to the genocide happening all over the world or to the fact that 2000 Americans have been killed by gun violence since just July of this year or that there are people working their asses off to turn the US into a primarily Christian country… and while everyone’s busy arguing over whose corpse matters more the machine is winning… and if we don’t pull our heads out of our asses and come together it’s game over for the US
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Der Reichstagsbrand, Reichstag fire for those that don't speak German, has already happened in its own way. Some would say that the Nacht der langen Messer, or Night of the Long Knives, is already happening, but in a less bloody way. Just look at all the purges in the government as an example. My grandmother, a member of the old German nobility known as Uradel, fled Germany as the Nazis were coming to power. My paternal grandfather was of Russian aristocracy and fled the Bolsheviks as they came to power. What's going on here in this country hits home way too much. My suggestion to this thread, and all future ones like it, is to study up on Yuri Bezmenov and draw your own conclusions...it can be a tough watch. Ironically, Jello Biafra was riffing this shit going on today was going to happen, back in the 80s with the Dead Kennedys. A lot of people laughed at him. Who's laughing now? Links for Yuri Bezmenov below. Oh yeah, might want to read up on Dietrich Bonhoeffer while you're at it.
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“prowling Blacks go around for fun to go target white people,"
"Islam is the sword the left is using to slit the throat of America,"
"we need to have a Nuremberg-style trial for every gender-affirming clinic doctor."
These are a few things Charlie Kirk said. You can decide if they are “inflammatory shit.”
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My personal fear is that Sippenhaft is already happening here.
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I’m pretty sure Charlie Kirk said plenty of “horrific vile shit” himself."
"I'm pretty sure he didn't. He just spoke truth to a bunch of boonies and they got flustered and pissed off".
Concur 100%. And he used logic and smarts (not feelings) to share his opinion. And welcomed anyone to share their opinion and keep a dialogue going. He let them have their say. He did not cancel them. He tried to find common ground so he and the other would both have their turn.
Try and get your 2 cents in on CNN or MSNBC. It will not go well.
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Taken out of context and in absentia of context those comments sound racist or xenophobic. Taken in the context they were made…Charlie was actually using them as examples of why so many policies being promoted, such as DEI, resulted in people feeling this way.
Context matters. Most saying he is racist never heard the context and are still unwilling to because their minds are made up.
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@scantron
Here is the context for one of your quotes. Do I think Kirk is a racist? No. He is using this as a way to illustrate how everything has become racialized.
https://www.mediamatters.org/charlie-kirk/charlie-kirk-goes-unhinged-racist-rant-prowling-blacks-go-around-fun-go-target-white
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There’s more black on white crime than white on black by 10 fold. Check FBI stats for example.
Dalliance, 2000 gun deaths? You’re probably right. 75% of that number is perpetuated by one demographic. 13% of the population committing well over 50% of the crime. I think the gun violence in Chicago alone accounts for a lot off that “2000”.
No one likes cancel culture, especially when it backfires and the left is on the receiving end.
The left and MSM is what is causing the division. To paraphrase Maxine Waters, “At the gasoline station, get in their faces and let them know they’re not welcome!”
That stoopid “woman” that held up a bloody Trump head. Snoop Dogg using an image of Trump in a video getting “shot”. Should I go on? What kind of violence has the right promoted?
The left has been violent for a very long time, Abraham Lincoln was assassinated my a lefty, the KKK was created by the left. The list goes on
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People don’t like facts. It’s not racist to state these facts.
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The Right: "Free Speech for me, not for thee!"
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^Youre kidding, right? Promoting violence is protected by the first amendment? Try telling “FIRE!” in a crowded venue, see what happens. Free speech, no?
Charlie Kirk was MURDERED because the LEFT can’t debate. They resort to violence. They have absolutely no impulse control. A bunch of petulant children. The whole lot of them.
PROVE. ME. WRONG.
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They can't debate because what they support is constructed on flawed logic. It's comical to watch them try to answer questions.
Best line i remember is one person telling Charlie he's Anti-Transgender. Charlie says, "No, I'm pro-reality".
He should have had a red button he could press that would play the audio byte of Jack Nicholson saying, "You can't handle the truth!"
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According to those who know him, the gunman was a follower of Nick Fuentes (who fought with Charlie Kirk). The gunman was a “groyper”. Look it up.
The connection with the left or with trannies is likely complete bullshit made up by MAGA to cover the Far Right’s violent tendencies.
By the way, I linked a video of masked White Supremacists marching in the Deep South because of Charlie Kirk’s murder.
Just kidding! It’s actually Huntington Beach, of course.
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Burning and looting to follow? I received more tickets in HB Than any other city. Oops
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No.
But at the very least, their goal is to harass and intimidate. Is this what you want, Butthead? Should people be covering their faces when spewing hate, Butthead?
Charlie Kirk's killer turned out to be White.
And what does receiving tickets in HB have to do with your color? OH...if it were truly a racist city, then you'd be allowed to speed and park wherever you'd like. Got it.
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@mild People that are aligned with Charlie Kirk don’t support the “White Supremists” aka FEDS marching around in HB.
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Also, the ones spewing hate with their faces covered are groups like Antifa. A far left/commie group.
Face it, there are far, far more examples of fascism from the left than there is from the right.
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M1A
I am being a butthead. I don't give two shits about what happens in CROC.
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@sinful
Can we please stop being naive about the reality between the Far Left and Far Right in this country?
Although I'm sure Far Left violence does happen, it is nearly nonexistent compared to Far Right violence. Antifa is always used as a scapegoat for the violence committed by the Far Right.
Here's a quick search online about false claims about Antifa:
Numerous events in recent years have seen false claims that blame antifa for violence, criminal activity, and other destructive actions. These accusations have been repeatedly disproven by law enforcement, journalists, and researchers.
January 6th Capitol riot
The lie: Following the violent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, a conspiracy theory emerged that antifa activists were behind the attack, disguised as Trump supporters.
The truth: FBI investigations and court filings disproved these claims. The vast majority of those arrested had no affiliation with antifa and were instead pro-Trump extremists or members of far-right groups like the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers. Some rioters even documented their motivations as supporting former President Trump. Several arrested rioters explicitly stated that antifa was not involved.
Summer 2020 protests
The lie: During the racial justice protests that swept the U.S. in the summer of 2020, rumors circulated that antifa members were being bused into suburban areas to loot and cause destruction. Some claimed antifa was instigating violence at Black Lives Matter demonstrations.
The truth: Investigations by local law enforcement and journalists consistently found no evidence to support these rumors. In some instances, white supremacist groups created fake antifa social media accounts to incite violence. Twitter took down multiple fake antifa accounts that were identified as being created by the white supremacist group Identity Evropa.
2020 West Coast wildfires
The lie: During a period of devastating wildfires on the West Coast in the fall of 2020, false claims on social media accused antifa members of arson.
The truth: Police and fire officials across multiple states debunked these rumors, stating they found no evidence of political groups starting the fires. The spread of misinformation diverted emergency resources and prompted confrontations between armed residents and journalists.
Key takeaways
Misinformation tactics: False Antifa claims are often used to discredit legitimate protests, distract from violence committed by right-wing extremists, and spread fear.
No central organization: Antifa is a decentralized, leaderless movement of anti-fascist activists, not a formal organization. As a result, it is difficult to designate as a terrorist organization or to hold responsible for the actions of specific individuals.
Consequences: The spread of false rumors about Antifa has fueled vigilantism, wasted law enforcement resources, and created a misleading public narrative around extremist violence.
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Logically, you'd think that someone from the Left would have killed Charlie Kirk, but apparently Nick Fuentes hated Kirk and claimed he wasn't "extremist enough" against the Left. The followers of Nick Fuentes are called "groypers"....gunman Tyler Robinson has identified as a groyper, as confirmed by people who know him.
Is it possible that Robinson was in a relationship with a tranny who he lived with? Sure, it is possible. But it is highly unlikely.
The Far Right continually vilify trannies and will pin any bad press on them, like they have on Antifa. Anyone with two brain cells would know that killing a Conservative leader in support of a tranny will just create more violent backlash against trannies. Political murders do not support anyone's cause; of course the Far Right will use it as an excuse to commit more violence.
@Butthead
You know you're one of my favorite people on this site. I just need to counter your knee-jerk reaction to always supporting the Right.
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I'm with DR.
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Random abyss, just another chapter in the national enquirer.
Give it all the credibility it deserves.
Nothing typed will ever give credibility to anyone other than the person typing it.
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The fact that people are trying to make this about left and right is insane. The shooter was a fucking loon. That’s it. So what if he was white or whatever his ideology was? Is this a statement on all people who fit into his categories?
How about we say that the worst offenders here on HX fit these characteristics so we should just avoid them all? That’s insanity and anyone boiling it down to those characteristics or ANY other than it being incidental and descriptive is absolute insanity.
It has nothing to do with him being white or a furry lover or maybe having a trans roommate lover or Mormon parents or whatever. The guy was a fucking loon. That’s the issue.
For fuck’s sake…some of you with your goddamned soapbox.
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One more thing. Facts are facts. No one is a protected class. We are all equal. Which means that if you do stupid shit expect to be called out on it.
If you fucked a girl and impregnated her contributing to the single mother issue here in the US that isn’t oppression. You fucking knew BBFSCIP was gonna possibly result in a kid and you bailed out. The white bogeyman didn’t make you BBFSCIP and then bail out.
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"One more thing. Facts are facts. No one is a protected class. We are all equal. Which means that if you do stupid shit expect to be called out on it."
@Rug
I'm curious. Let's say you were stopped by the police in Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Florida, or Texas....or even California, in the middle of the night. Do you think you'd be treated the same or differently if you were Mexican, black or white?
Afforded the same rights?
All treated equally?
Brother, please....you're not living in the United States.
According to my European friends who visit here regularly, this is one of the most racist countries in the world.
The reason the Far Right is so violent is that they know that their Conservative political power was about to collapse (pre-Trump) when the White population was about to become a minority in this country.
Do you really think that Trump's crackdown of immigrants has anything to do with crime? It has to do with their propensity to vote for Democrats. Stephen Miller is demanding tens of millions of immigrants (legal and illegal) to be deported. The excuse of criminality is obviously a joke since immigrants commit less crime than native born Americans.
And now they are trying to gerrymander to stay in power.
The right (and their Far Right extremist enforcers) are trying to reverse the demographic shift in this country. Their desperation will only result in more killings and the abridging of our Constitutional rights, including our right to Freedom of Speech.
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From NIH
Left-Wing versus Right-Wing Extremism
Of these ideologies, most prior research has contrasted those committed to right-wing and left-wing causes. Much of this research suggests that compared to left-wing extremists, right-wing extremists may be more likely to engage in politically motivated violence. In comparison to left-wing supporters, right-wing individuals are more often characterized by closed-mindedness and dogmatism (9) and a heightened need for order, structure, and cognitive closure (5). Because such characteristics have been found to increase in-group bias and lead to greater out-group hostility (10), violence for a cause may be more likely among proponents of right-wing ideologies. In contrast, in comparison to their right-wing counterparts, left-wing individuals score higher on openness to new experiences, cognitive complexity, and tolerance of uncertainty (5). They are also less likely to support social dominance (11), which could lead to their overall lower likelihood to use violence against adversaries. In line with this reasoning, some studies have demonstrated an empathy gap between liberal and conservative individuals (12). Finally, according to various conceptualizations and operationalizations of right-wing authoritarianism (RWA; 13–15), aggressive tendencies constitute an inherent component of this construct, with people high in RWA being more hostile toward others who violate norms than those low in RWA. A recent meta-analysis supported this conclusion, revealing a positive relationship between right-wing ideology and aggressive attitudes and behaviors (16). However, the study did not focus solely on politicized contexts and included only milder forms of aggression.
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MA1 shows up to spew nonsense
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